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Smoking ban heats up as LCC prepares campus crackdown
Lansing State Journal ^ | 12-1-03 | Sharon Terlep

Posted on 12/01/2003 3:23:39 PM PST by Dan from Michigan

Smoking ban heats up as LCC prepares campus crackdown

By Sharon Terlep
Lansing State Journal

Lighting up at Lansing Community College is still commonplace a year after LCC became one of the first Michigan colleges to ban outdoor smoking.

But officials say a crackdown on smoking is on the way.

Until now, school leaders say they've focused on getting the word out about the policy, not enforcing it. LCC has yet to penalize anyone under the smoking policy instituted in October 2002.

"There's no purpose in having a policy if you're not going to enforce it," LCC spokesman Richard Howard said. "So far, it's been about education. The college will move more toward enforcement."

In the past year, LCC began offering free smoking cessation sessions and distributing pamphlets with information aimed at helping smokers quit. A handful of people showed up for the sessions, Howard said.

Signs reading "LCC is a tobacco free campus" are posted throughout the college.

But students and staff still huddle near doorways and ashtrays, smoking as they walk to work and between classes.

"I haven't even heard about the policy until just now," first-year student Kevin Chirio said, sheepishly, snuffing out his cigarette. "I don't have a problem following it."

The policy

Under the policy, students, staff and faculty who violate the ban can receive a citation from campus police requiring them to meet with either human resources or Student Judicial Affairs personnel.

The first citation will result in a verbal warning. Numerous warnings could ultimately result in suspension or firing. People not affiliated with the campus will be asked not to smoke.

Smoking is still allowed on sidewalks bordering the campus and in Washington Square, a strip of land running through campus.

But that soon could change. Last week, the city gave up rights to that property - which covers about 10 percent of campus - and the college might ban smoking there, too, Howard said.

A committee composed of staff, faculty and students likely will make that decision, he said.

Smoking is still a problem on campus, especially in front of the Arts and Sciences building, where vents suck smoke-filled air into classrooms and offices, faculty member Joe Warren said.

He complained that the college still puts out ashtrays - some located directly underneath "no smoking" signs.

"It sends a terrible message," he said. "I go to shoo people away and show them the signs, and they say, 'Look, they don't care. There's an ashtray right here.' "

Howard said the ashtrays are intended to give smokers a place to discard their cigarettes upon entering campus or realizing they can't smoke.

How it started

The smoking policy, more than two years in the works, was prompted by complaints from faculty and students who worried about the health effects of second-hand smoke.

Smoking has been banned in LCC buildings since 2000, when smokers were assigned one area outside each building.

LCC, Michigan's third largest community college, decided that year it would phase out smoking outdoors. The Board of Trustees voted again in March 2002 to extend the no-smoking zone the following fall.

Outdoor smoking bans are rare at public colleges and universities.

Several health advocates said last fall they knew of no other college or university to ban smoking outdoors, though LCC officials said at least a few Michigan colleges ban it.

The bans are, however, becoming a trend on hospital campuses.

Two health systems in Grand Rapids and the University of Michigan Medical Center recently banned the practice. Lansing's hospitals have not.

Michigan State University doesn't allow smoking in buildings or immediately around entrances, but doesn't have an all-out ban.

LCC employee Brian Anderson last week walked down Washington Square, cigarette in hand. He said he doesn't mind avoiding smoking in the off-limits areas, but he doesn't expect the policy to stick campuswide.

"It's not like there's public safety officers running around giving tickets," he said. "If they were, that would probably change things."

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LCC smoking policy

Smoking is not allowed inside or outside, except on Washington Square.

Students get three notices before receiving a letter outlining the smoking policy and requesting them to comply. If that doesn't work, the students will be required to meet with the director of Student Judicial Affairs and eventually could be suspended.

Faculty would be reported to their department heads and, if they continue to smoke, could face further punishments.

Visitors will be asked to not smoke and could be removed or banned from campus if they refuse to stop.

Smokers' resources

Ingham County: Smoking cessation program with counseling and referral service. Nicotine replacement and prescription therapies available to those who qualify. Free. Call 887-4315.

Nicotine Anonymous: A 12-step recovery model that offers weekly meetings in the tradition of Alcoholics Anonymous. Free. Call 377-0710.

American Lung Association: A seven-week group intervention with trained facilitators for $65. Call 484-4541.

Sparrow Hospital: Regular "Freedom From Smoking" programs for $65. Call 1-800-SPARROW.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: pufflist; smoking; smokingbans
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Light em up!!!!
1 posted on 12/01/2003 3:23:39 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan
"There's no purpose in having a policy if you're not going to enforce it," LCC spokesman Richard Howard said.

Now here's a guy I don't want anywhere near my kids.

2 posted on 12/01/2003 3:29:45 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Gabz
Ping
3 posted on 12/01/2003 3:39:21 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Why does it happen? Because it happens, roll the bones")
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To: Dan from Michigan
Am I the only one who thinks these idiots are taking themselves a little too seriously? Cripes, they're a community college! Nice to see that they have nothing better to do with their funding.
4 posted on 12/01/2003 3:43:07 PM PST by Orangedog
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To: Dan from Michigan

5 posted on 12/01/2003 3:52:35 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Dan from Michigan
It is well past time for smokers to say that enough is enough. Perhaps the students should stage a "smoke in" where all smokers gather INSIDE the main administration building and light up? There are only 2 groups in this country that it is still ok to persecute - smokers and Christians!

Mark A Sity
6 posted on 12/01/2003 3:59:02 PM PST by logic101.net (Support OUR troops, not Saddam's!)
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To: Dan from Michigan
My employer bans smoking and smokeless tobacco mar 1st.
You can even smoke in the parkinglot in your own car!
Just being in the possesion of tobacco will be an infraction!
7 posted on 12/01/2003 4:17:59 PM PST by mylife
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To: mylife
You cancant even smoke in the parkinglot in your own car!
8 posted on 12/01/2003 4:18:44 PM PST by mylife
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To: Dan from Michigan; *puff_list; Just another Joe; SheLion; Flurry; CSM; Max McGarrity; Great Dane; ..
Thanks for the ping, Dan

bump for later read (my dinner is ready!)

JaJ and SL - you've both got more comprehensive lists than I do!!!!!
9 posted on 12/01/2003 4:23:59 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - swat'em!!!)
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To: SheLion; Just another Joe
PING!
10 posted on 12/01/2003 4:25:42 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Gabz
Ooops! S'cuse the double ping.
11 posted on 12/01/2003 4:40:18 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound; Gabz; *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; ...
The college will move more toward enforcement."

I'd like to see what would happen if they FORBADE the COLLEGE (ADULT) Students not to drink Coke or Pepsi.  Both a LEGAL COMMODITY!  Enforcement my patoot!

12 posted on 12/01/2003 4:54:22 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: facedown
Now here's a guy I don't want anywhere near my kids.

Marching in time with brown shirts and jack boots! You got THAT right! Enforcement! Can you believe this guy?! The College (ADULT) students aren't in 5th grade. They are PAYING for this personal abuse.

13 posted on 12/01/2003 4:55:48 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: logic101.net
There are only 2 groups in this country that it is still ok to persecute - smokers and Christians!

You hit it right on the nose! I'm both......and I'm tired of being persecuted in my OWN COUNTRY for choosing to buy and use a legal commodity.

That word he used "ENFORCEMENT" really gripes my arse. They show High Schools with the teens outside smoking, yet this jerk wants to ENFORCE the no smoking rule on the young adults that attend HIS college. Well, excuse me!

14 posted on 12/01/2003 4:58:16 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
They are PAYING for this personal abuse.

Seems the admin's tend to forget this fact pretty regularly.

15 posted on 12/01/2003 5:02:06 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Orangedog
Nice to see that they have nothing better to do with their funding.

Exactly. And guess what? As a Community college they are receiving taxpayer funding....smokers are taxpayers....in more ways than others.

16 posted on 12/01/2003 5:06:35 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - swat'em!!!)
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To: logic101.net
There are only 2 groups in this country that it is still ok to persecute - smokers and Christians!

While you are correct, there are many so-called Christians that believe it is also ok to persecute smokers - including right here at FR.

17 posted on 12/01/2003 5:10:31 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - swat'em!!!)
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To: mylife
It's the employer's property and unless it is a government mandate, he has and should have the right to determine his own smoking policy.

I'm not saying I agree with the policy - but I can not deny him the right to make his own rules. If I were an employee I would be fighting the policy tooth and nail, especially in a private vehicle.
18 posted on 12/01/2003 5:17:19 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - swat'em!!!)
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To: mylife
Now you understand why socialism is so insidious. If an employer is going to pay for health bennies - or the government - then that's what happens. He who pays the bills calls the shots.

You can expect "unhealthy" food taxes and mandated physical exams to qualify for benefits, strict diet regimens, monitored physical exercise programs, urinalysis, etc. The nanny state has arrived and it will only become more and more intrusive.
19 posted on 12/01/2003 5:20:16 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: mylife
Just being in the possesion of tobacco will be an infraction!

Now that is an employer I would absolutely love to walk up to and show him my cigarettes! While he may be able to prohibit you from smoking on company property, "Possession of" a legal product is no means for disciplinary action. Can you say "lawsuit"? Sure you can.....

20 posted on 12/01/2003 5:28:55 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I've dealt with stupid people for over 32 years. Haven't I earned the right to just shoot them?)
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